In article <1994Jul4.005510.148@msus1.msus.edu>, parker@moorhead.msus.edu (PARKER RYAN) wrITES No I don't think you can smoke plain desmanthus rooots .I've tried making an extract of alkaloids from 2 oz. from d.i. roots following Jim de Korne's reciepe in his book Psychedelic Shamanism and got absloutely ZERO results; except for a rotten taste in my mouth after smoking about a gram of the brown GOO. Either I did something wrong in the process or two ounces is not enough for an extract or of the Jungle's roots are not potent or de korne's receipe is incomplete. I DONT KNOW DO YOU? From eskimo!news.sibylline.com!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Tue Jul 19 13:48:38 1994 Path: eskimo!news.sibylline.com!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kermi@aol.com (Kermi) Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives Subject: phalaris extraction vs desmanthus Date: 16 Jul 1994 11:31:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com Message-ID: <308ufo$ebm@search01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: search01.news.aol.com I hope you have better luck with De Korne's incomplete receipe because I just blew about 70 bucks following his directions for extraction using Desmanthus Illinoiensis and ended up with about a gram of brown gooey goo that DID NOT produce the desirable results AT ALL!!!! I slow simmered 2 ounces of Desmanthus from Of The Jungle in an Acetic acid bath, then defatted with Trichloroethane (aka methyl chloroform), basified with baking soda and then extracted with Naptha, the naptha layer was siphoned off after 3x in 3 weeks and evaporated, the GOO looked right, tasted awful when smoked and ,again, did nothing to my mind or spirit. ANY INPUT OR COMMENTS ATRE WELCOME!!!! MAYBE PHALARIS HAS A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF ALKALOIDS THAN DESMANTHUS?????