hi, here's a testable speculation that can be either verified by a health-food freak, or disproved up-front by a real phyto-chemist: speculation: a modern vegetable juicer provides sufficient extraction for San Pedro. i found a sample of fresh San Pedro had a pH of 4.5 (... i think... i used an old soil-test kit for this since i had no pH paper handy.) this is more acidic than i expected, and i wonder if the alkaloids are even present as free-base in such an environment, or if they are present as soluable salts instead (phyto-chemists?) could someone please run a pound or so of sandy, gritty, fresh San Pedro, skin, spines and all through their $270 Champion Vegetable Juicer and report back on whether the entheogenic virtues thereafter reside in the juice or the remaining residue? if you don't find it in the juice you can always run your favorite extraction on the residue, so you've lost nothing by performing this experiment (which should be even easier for you now: the plant is 90+% water, so you've effectively "removed waste water" by the juicing.) if verified, this would be the easiest preparation known. high-powered kitchen appliances are extremely recent developments, compared to the span of San Pedro usage... if you hurry to your kitchen *now* you could be the one to make health-food history! centuries of traditionalist curanderos will blink in astonishment from their perches in the astral plane!! and, oh, yeah, afterwards check the internals of your $270 juicer when you clean it out and let me know: this didn't scratch things up any worse than a batch of organic carrots... did it? -steve